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Post by kura on Jan 6, 2007 2:30:52 GMT -5
The problem with your proposal is that one would have to maintain both characters. People would create a nonbender simply to have their bender, and may later drop their nonbender (even if that wasn't their intention to begin with). What do we do then? Especially if this person hasn't done anything wrong (other than discontinue his or her RP with the nonbender) and is in an RP with someone else. Are we to force them to continue RPing their nonbender? Ban them for not doing so? What?
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Post by rase on Jan 6, 2007 3:02:17 GMT -5
Well originally that idea was covered by a probation list. As Jia just demonstrated in her previous post. Just tally the benders vs. non-benders.
I don't have the numbers but thats not important
35 Benders
45 Non-Benders
Just evening them out for meants of easyness.
Now to keep things even easier to keep a 50/50 population. There should be the same number of benders as there are non-benders. So by this count 10 people can make a bender without having to roleplay an addition character.
Now you can abandon the listing process and set it on a first come first served method. That way managers don't have to keep track any kind of llist. Just do what Jia did. And if there are more non-benders than benders, just make a post. "X number of free bender slots open" And the first x number of people who post get that slot.
As for everyone else. To keep things even. They HAVE to make a non-bender character to roleplay as a bender. That way there will always be a 50/50 population. If someone doesn't feel like rp'ing an extra character they can wait for the next time a free slot is open.
You could also keep the coin-flip option if you want.
Now is it fair to force someone to rp a character they dont want in order to force them to rp one they want to? If they agree to it. Then yes. If they want to be a bender than bad and they think its worth it yes. Benders are special. So they should require more responsibilities than a non-bending character.
And by agreeing to these terms they are responsible for keeping up their end of the deal. So if they break their part of the deal, you as management are free to break your part as well. They don't want to rp their non-bender, fine. Then they don't have to rp their bender.
If I agree to give you a dollar for a soda and I don't, but drink the soda anyways, am I wrong? I'd say yes.
Its the same thing . If I agree to maintain a non-bending character in order to play a bending character, and I don't. But keep playing my bending chracter, I'd be just as wrong.
Now it not all. First time we catch you not posting on your non-bending character we'll ban you! Warnings will be issued. Lesser punishments given at first. But if its a chronic problem then that person clearly has no respect for the rules or the site if they just want to do what ever they want.
I mean if I just posted a bender character said screw a coin toss and just started to rp around the board. And by some chance some people actually rp with me. What would you do?
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Post by rase on Jan 6, 2007 3:24:24 GMT -5
Oh missed Aden's and Jia's Post.
Aden. Thats why the required non-bending characters are made on different accounts with the name of the character and the name of the bender they are affiliated with.
So when managers check activity. They can see. OH Bender Bob has posted 205 times this month, but Non-Bender Sam (Bender Bob) has only posted 1 time this month.
And that way the upkeep of non-bending characters can be enforced that way. So Bender Bob would get a warning and a strike against his account. And continued neglect would eventually lead to being banned.
I mean its the same thing as it is now. People just make a character. Not a bender. Fine make a new account try again. I could do that but I find those tactics, lame and disrespectful. To me its not the agony of not being a bender. Its the agony of never being a bender or making 3,4,5 characters before I actually get one. Now it might not happen to me. I don't know yet still making my profiel now. But it won't suck any less if it happens to someone else.
***Jia
Yeah that is the CHEAP way. And if everyone does it, well you have the same problem you have months and months and months ago. People just making profiles and deleting them till they get a bender. You might as well just eliminate the cointoss and just let them be what they want from the beginning.
I may not agree with all the rules. But as the creators of this site and putting alot of work and care into it. I bellieve I am obligated to respect them. So doing something like that goes against my principles as I am a person who believes in order to be respect you must first show respect.
As for non-benders outnumbering benders. When that happens you can just drop make a post. Okay non-benders are outnumber benders. And benders that would like to drop their required characters post here. Pick the number of people need to drop character and done. If no one volenteers simply put a ban on non-bender characters lol. Or just make newly joining benders excempt from making a manditory non-bender. But honestly is having more non-benders than benders really all that bad a thing?
Oh can you stop making this about me and my character. I'm just trying to see if a better system can be made. I am actually working on my profile between replies. And intend on complying to the rules as they stand now.
Though reading Kura's 'idea's for non-benders' has put me in some conflict on which direction I want to go with this character. I'm slow when it comes to making profiles as I like to do research and make sure I have all my homework done. Currently looking at a map of the four nations to see where this character is most likely to llive as compaired to the landscape. He's a fisherman so either coastal or river. Well you'll read all about it when I get around to posting it. I don't want you to think I have no intentions of comply and trying to be selfish to get what I want. I'm just trying help throw around some ideas.
Another idea would be to make a 'Vulture's Perch" a place where people can just wait for a bender to leave the site. When you do activity checks just post in saying x number of benders have been deleted. Go Vultures go!
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Post by taka on Jan 6, 2007 10:08:26 GMT -5
Alrighty, I got permission last night, and this has gotten out of hand...
Rase: I enjoy your posts. They are filled with logic, and reasoning. I can respect someone who gives his or her all to present their point of view. And I know how it feels to have it rejected with 3 or 4 words after your work. But with all due respect, that's life.
You may be under the misconception that here at Feng Shui, we have a democracy, and people all vote on things; that the admin is simply here to do what we want her to.
But she is not. Xia and the other moderators MAKE the policy, whether we agree with it or not. Once they have made a decision, that decision is FINAL, and is NOT up for debate.
So while I understand your wish to 'make a better policy', your idea has been rejected by the moderators multiple times, their reasoning has been shown, and they are not going to change their minds. If you post after this, it will simply be in desperation. Please understand this.
Thank you for your support of this forum,
Gandalan, FS Troublemaker
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Post by kura on Jan 6, 2007 11:04:03 GMT -5
Actually the purpose of the coin toss (as well as our bender ban a while back) is just to make sure benders don’t outnumber non-benders. If non-benders should outnumber benders, that’s not bad at all. In fact, we encourage people to make non-benders and be creative, because there are so many possibilities in the Ava-world (as we tried to illustrate in the Ideas for Non-Benders thread).
This ties in with us not worrying if there are more non-benders than benders, but this would also mean a lot of work on our part (at least, I think so). If there are only a certain number of bender slots open, then that would fill up quickly. However, the problem is that, while the profile mods try to review the oldest profiles first, we tend to review randomly. Also, if there are more people applying for benders then there are slots, we have a problem.
Alright, I have to go, so that’s all I have time to answer. I’ll try to get back to this later if someone else doesn’t.
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Post by aden on Jan 6, 2007 11:24:26 GMT -5
Taka pretty much said it best... As open to suggestion as the staff is, it is ultimately up to Xia to decide on whether policy changes. Right now, there is absolutely nothing you could tell her that would prompt her to change the current method.
Your arguments, as well-constructed as they may be, are really earning you nothing but contempt. The coin flip suits our purposes well enough without so much as a single tally required, and you're the only person we've seen who was this desperate to see it changed. Even if it wasn't a decision left up to Xia, simple majority rule would see this motion defeated.
I ask you to please, just drop the whole thing and submit your profile. I'm guessing that all these long responses must have eaten at least an hour of your time, and with that you could have quite easily written a skeleton profile to submit and get the results of your flip.
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Post by jialingjin on Jan 6, 2007 11:38:21 GMT -5
Yeah that is the CHEAP way. Duh. Why do you think I suggest it? Just to shut you the hell up. We are all tired and fed up with you. We've told you numerous times No. The Admin has said no and her word is law. What part of 'it's not going to change' do you not understand? You're on your way to a ban if you keep this up. You can either do things our way or go to another Avatar RPG site. There are plently out there. |
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Post by sekar on Jan 6, 2007 20:13:18 GMT -5
Heres what your well thought out post translate to me.
"BUT BUT I WANNA B A BENDRRRR!!!!111one!!1eleveny"
Seriously you sound a like a whiny spoiled child. And let me tell you something about benders.
You have this concept that all benders are warriors. Hmmm let tell you a bit about my benders.
Sekar: Sekar is my first and my character that has my rank as RP Mod. He's also a Firebender, Now can he contuct lighting being thirty and a maste and blow people up? No. He is pasifist, and he uses his firebending for medicine (his hands are living defibulators!)
Kavik: Kavik is my water bender from the north pole wanna know what his bending for? He's an ice skater that use figure skating and his waterbending simutanously, and he also uses it when he's on his dad's Fishing boat.
Kulap: She is my newest one. She's from the Swamp and she's also a Shaman, the thing about it is that she's uses her bending for medicine.
So not benders are warriors. Mind have other uses. :3 I also play a conon character. Sokka :3
And comming soon Dong Feng is my Spirit Chartacter. :3
So to wrap it up
Quit your whining and go play or I'll Have Sekar vivisect you.
Sekar: OMG REALLY!? *goes gets his surgicall tools* YAY!
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Post by rase on Jan 8, 2007 0:43:16 GMT -5
Sekar that quote is mostly for you. As you can see, I already started I wanted to make my character a fisherman which has nothing to do with battle. And I've already stated that I am not trying to change the rules for my own benefit as I was making a profile with the full intentions of submitting it under the rules as they stand now.
Really I don't mind you reading my posts and disagreeing with me. But in the future can you please read the entire post before forming an opinion. I know, I'm a big wordy dork and thats asking alot to read all the stuff I post. But I'd really appreciate it.
Also this thread was in no way shape or form linked to being informed that I have to submit a profile to get a coin toss. I think the length of my posts here is enough to reason that I dont mind sitting down and investing some time to type. On that note.
Ignoring the fact that every who has posted here has been pretty nice about it and you seem to be the only one trying to briing negativity to the thread. I believe I have been respectful both to you and the site. Granted I took your posts as just sharp-edged sarcasm at first. I'm beginning to think its just you really don't like me much.
I mean I know. I'm an opinionated person. I have my ideas and I stand by them. I wasn't trying to force change on the site. I wasn't trying to put together a petition or make people vote saying: If you like my idea post here and we can rebel against the management, por viva el taciquitos!
I simply had an idea and thought it was a good one so I decided to post it to see what other people thought. I don't expect it to be taken up immediately as a few people pointed out some areas where it doesn't balance out and some where its just too much of a work load for management. I was just openning up discussion. Okay this is my idea, do you think it will work. People respectfully gave their opinions and I gave mine. Sure it might be a bad idea, but if that idea causes someone else to think in a different direction and say, hey, if you change his idea like this, it might actually work.
I mean okay I like my idea. Alot of people have ideas they tend to like. It wasnt my intention to start an arguement, I simply wanted to start a discussion. I don't know if you took my idea as a personal attack on the site or what, but it wasn't meant that way. But threatening to ban me just because I have an idea and I just want to try to make it work. I just think that goes past management issues and is more of a personal issue. I just don't want to start out with you having the wrong idea about me, or anyone else for the matter.
So what is your problem with me?
Yeah I believe the saying is...
You can lead a horse to water....but yeah I know what you're saying.
To sneak in one more horse quote. To continue this thread would be like beating a dead....okay I'm done. I am content with the way I presented my idea, and it is clearly not wanted and further discussion will only make baby jesus cry. So to every who replied thank you for your posts and honest opinions.
Happy RP'ing.
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Post by choji on Jan 8, 2007 14:44:12 GMT -5
Heres what your well thought out post translate to me. "BUT BUT I WANNA B A BENDRRRR!!!!111one!!1eleveny" Seriously you sound a like a whiny spoiled child. Thats my basic opinion about you. Jia isn't the only one that is annoyed. I first read post once, and already I thought that you had this superiorty thing. We said your ideas sucked, get over it. Go RP with your school friends on IM. |
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Post by rase on Jan 8, 2007 21:00:21 GMT -5
Okay yeah. I believe everything that needs to be said about my idea has been said. This topic is no longer about defending my idea but my character as a person and thats something I feel I don't need to be doing. This topic was suppose to be about opinions on my idea and to share my opinions on the ideas of others, not about opinions about what kind of person I am.
So with that said. I request that this thread just be locked. I'm a nice guy and most of all a positive person, or atleast that is how I believe myself to be. This thread is taking a negative turn and as it is now offers nothing towards the bettering of the site.
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Post by kura on Jan 8, 2007 21:17:21 GMT -5
I agree things have been taken further than they should have. We shouldn't have resorted to insulting you like that, but I think we all were a little annoyed at your long posts and your, ah, persistence. I realize you were just trying to help, but at the same time, it's best to know when to step down.
If it makes you feel any better, thanks to your proposal, the staff have begun to discuss the bending issue more seriously than before.
I'm locking this thread, as per your request.
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