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Post by aratak on Sept 21, 2009 23:24:04 GMT -5
Should we go ahead and make a new thread? And what of the fire nation? Which villains should be involved? I mean, we could do what happened on Avatar if you all want to, but perhaps we could do something alternate? Aang has an earthbending teacher, and going to Ba Sing Se doesn't reeaally have that much relevance to defeating the fire lord, right?
It would be interesting to hear input from Ozai's Angels and Zuko/Iroh as well. What will our course of action be? Discuss?
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Post by aden on Sept 26, 2009 23:03:27 GMT -5
To recap what was discussed in the choi: - The Dai Li agent is in the desert collecting intelligence about notable events in the region and immediately recognizes the Gaang for who they are.
- He overhears their plans to visit BSS and decides to prevent the influx of news about the war into the city by stealing Appa.
- Dai Li agent hires a group of desert nomads to capture Appa, perhaps while he's distracting the Gaang with some inane task or supposed emergency, and then has Appa secretly carted off to BSS.
- He keeps the Gaang misdirected by helping them to locate the people responsible, which turns out just to be a decoy caravan of Si Wong natives heading in the opposite direction.
- The Gaang learns from this group that they've been swindled and that they need to get to BSS immediately to try and find Appa.
- One of the caravaners, possibly Nasrin, offers to give them a lift via sand sailer to the edge of the desert.
- Possible Extra! The Gaang might happen across the Spirit Library along the way, or are guided to it by a Knowledge Seeker or perhaps one of Roku's spiritual visits to Aang's dreams.
- All the while, Dai Li agent tries to pawn off Appa as a new exceedingly rare pet for the Earth King, simultaneously earning brownie points with Long Feng for neutralizing the Avatar.
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Post by tophbeifong on Sept 29, 2009 19:31:45 GMT -5
Going to be totally helpful in saying....I'll go with whatever. =P
I am curious just as to why a Dai Li agent is in the desert to collect intelligence...mainly because it was my impression that they remained in Ba Sing Se to keep the fact that there's been a war going on for 100 years sorta hidden, despite all the influx of refugees coming into the city. That and of all places to go to collect this information, why go to the desert?
I'd just like to see that bit explained, before I do any sort of posting anyplace.
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Post by aratak on Oct 1, 2009 20:51:03 GMT -5
Ba Sing Se seeks to keep the war a secret from those within the walls. Those outside the walls already know, so what's to hide? Hassan is his name, and he's originally an orphan from the dessert, later turned Dai Li. He was sent specifically by Long Feng to capture the Avatar's bison, because he knows the area and the people, and could influence the other sand benders. The thread is here: fengshuirpg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=siwongdesert&action=display&thread=3823&page=1Jia and Aden like the idea, and I hope Toph and Mu do too. |
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Post by aden on Oct 1, 2009 21:26:54 GMT -5
Auina- My best attempt to rationalize was that Ba Sing Se (or rather, Long Feng) is keeping the war a secret from the public, but none the less fighting the war all the same. At least in a defensive capacity. So in that respect, I suppose it wouldn't be too unreasonable to think that they have eyes and ears spread across the surrounding regions to keep them up to date on Fire Nation activity.
Personally, I'm still iffy on it being a Dai Li agent that needs to be sent out to do the gathering when a regular message carrier/soldier would do, but I don't care if it moves things along.
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Post by aratak on Oct 1, 2009 21:40:39 GMT -5
And as for why he was there, he was waiting for them of course. He is a clever conniving Dai Li agent. The avatar makes enough publicity to be tracked, Azula does it, so why not a Dai Li agent?
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Post by tophbeifong on Oct 1, 2009 22:33:40 GMT -5
Not trying to be argumentative and not trying to hold up progress...but why in the world would a Dai Li agent be in the desert of all places? I could see maybe in the outlying towns in BSS, especially the ones that'd be main thorough fares for the refugees coming in...but if memory serves, the oasis in question with the less then impressive remains of a glacier wasn't all that large in the show. And with the FN shown to having little to no interest in the Si Wong (assumption here, since we never see FN troops out that way...and in FS's setting, Zuko sorta established that the FN avoided the desert), there's not much intelligence to be gathered. Sure, maybe some from the merchants...but...honestly, just not seeing the logic here.
If Mu opts to go with this, I'm going to go along for the sake of letting the majority rule here. Until that happens or something changes, I'm holding off on posting. It's really the Dai Li thing I've got issues with here.
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Post by nasir on Oct 1, 2009 22:41:28 GMT -5
What if I told you he's been tracking them for a while from afar? Would that make it easier to believe? He's not WEARING Dai Li clothing.
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Post by tophbeifong on Oct 2, 2009 9:27:46 GMT -5
Not sure exactly why his choice of clothing would matter. >.>;;; He's...still Dai Li. Also, in the PM you sent my way you indicate that this particular Dai Li agent has been following them since they arrived in the EK...which...eh, still not so sure on there. It would take time for word to travel all the way up from the Southern part of the EK up to BSS.
Again...if Muqali's okay to go ahead, I'll go along with the majority. AGain, restating the only thing I"m questioning here is the presence of a Dai Li agent in the middle of the desert.
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Post by nasir on Oct 2, 2009 9:45:51 GMT -5
Would you prefer he just be a spy associated with the capital? In my mind it's exactly the same thing, but if it will get things moving, I'll make him a spy instead. The reason he's Dai Li is because it's a situational special mission by Long Feng, and if he's just a regular spy unassociated with Long Feng, the plot doesn't make any sense.
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Post by mulaqi on Oct 3, 2009 0:21:22 GMT -5
I've got to agree with Auina/Toph here, the whole thing has a lot of holes. Disregarding how this Dai Li agent could track the Gaang in the first place without ever being noticed by them or their many pursuers, I just don't see why he'd even be sent on such a mission, and to the Si Wong of all places. Long Feng, to my knowledge, only cares about consolidating and protecting his power. That's why he was so quick to change sides in the show.
To be perfectly honest, it seems like you're forcing the plot to go exactly the way it went in the show. I don't mind following it generally, but it doesn't need to be that specific. Appa doesn't even need to get kidnapped. Currently, the only plan that I think we had before this thread was "The Gaang is heading to BSS, maybe they find out about the eclipse, possibly from the library," and I liked that. We don't need a specific plan, nor an out of place Dai Li agent to force it into motion.
Not trying to be harsh here, I'm just trying to be honest.
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Post by gijoespouse on Oct 3, 2009 10:00:23 GMT -5
I think what we had planned originally was just fine, and with enough wiggle room to take things in a direction we choose it to, not necessarily in the same way the show took it. I think it would make more sense if someone were to try and collect on the bounty for capturing the avatar, rather than have an out of place Dai Li agent. Appa doesn't necessarily have to be kidnapped, unless you guys just want to go that route. And if we opt for a Spirit Library trip, we could always have one of the knowledge seekers steal Katara's waterbending scrolls and the GAang can simply follow it and all that.
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Post by aratak on Oct 3, 2009 19:22:24 GMT -5
What would you like me to do?
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Post by iikagen on Oct 4, 2009 15:08:23 GMT -5
Considering the vote against the Dai Li's involvement, I'd say we might be better off restarting the thread under more conventional circumstances. We can have them briefly explore the town, maybe hit a little rough patch with some locals and decide to camp out away from the hustle and bustle. Somewhere along the line a knowledge seeker could steal something of theirs like Katara's scrolls or maybe Aang thinks it's curious enough to just follow one that crosses their path.
From there we can do the whole Library arc. If you guys want, we could even deviate a little from the show and have them not bring Won Shi Tong's (sp?) wrath down on them right away. Maybe they leave the library just fine with plans to return, and are tailed back by sandbenders or something the next day and it's their actions that piss off the giant owl. Just throwing that out there off the top of my head, but there's plenty of ways we could go with it.
For right now though, can we agree on a reboot of the new thread?
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Post by aratak on Oct 4, 2009 15:35:33 GMT -5
Someone else can start it then. I've tried to get the whole initiative "gets get everyone together and discuss" thing going, and it hasn't worked for me. So we're agreed then, I guess <.<
I'll delete that post?
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