The Lion Turtle
Ishvara Spirits
"Your own spirit must be unbendable."
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Post by The Lion Turtle on Nov 4, 2008 21:35:26 GMT -5
Those over 18, did you vote today? ;D
If you wish, you may discuss your choosen canidate and either celebrate or mourn when the polls close.
As an extention, feel free to discuss the canidates, their policies, and political issues in general.
Just a reminder -- keep it civil. No attacks or bashing other people's views, please. Just a simple discussion. You may agree to disagree, just no flames.
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Post by jialingjin on Nov 4, 2008 22:01:00 GMT -5
The Electoral College sucks.
Also: I hate how news stations predict. Example: I'm looking at maps that say "New Mexico: McCain's winning by 62%" but they're predicting that it will go Obama and counting the EC votes when only 5% of the precincts are reporting.
And Vice Versa.
WHAT THE CRAP?! Stop predicting and let at least 50% of the precincts get in before you predict.
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The Lion Turtle
Ishvara Spirits
"Your own spirit must be unbendable."
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Post by The Lion Turtle on Nov 4, 2008 22:10:03 GMT -5
Yeah, that does seem really weird to me, but, hey what are they supposed to do? They need to make money somehow. Still, it is annoying.
I'm still unsure about our Electoral College. Please, by all means, explain why you don't like it. I really don't understand one way or another.
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Post by jialingjin on Nov 4, 2008 22:45:45 GMT -5
Essentially our vote counts for nothing. The Electors do not have to vote in favor of the Popular vote and from what I understand, must all vote for the same. So there is no splitting of Ohio's 10 Elector votes if half the state votes one way and the other half votes the other way. Hopefully, the Electors will vote in the direction of the popular vote, but they do not have to. They can choose to vote completely opposite.
That is what I hate.
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The Lion Turtle
Ishvara Spirits
"Your own spirit must be unbendable."
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Post by The Lion Turtle on Nov 4, 2008 22:51:14 GMT -5
Really? o.o Now I'm even more confused. How and why and how votes, then?
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Post by jialingjin on Nov 4, 2008 22:53:37 GMT -5
....I don't even understand it. I just know that the popular vote means BAD!. It can influence the electors who usually pledge to vote in favor of the state.. but..
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The Lion Turtle
Ishvara Spirits
"Your own spirit must be unbendable."
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Post by The Lion Turtle on Nov 4, 2008 22:57:49 GMT -5
o.o Wow.
Uhm. Well, I dunno. Why did they implement it in the first place then?
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Post by jialingjin on Nov 4, 2008 23:07:20 GMT -5
*Shrug* I couldn't read through the Wikipedia article.
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Post by chamir on Nov 4, 2008 23:48:49 GMT -5
Jia, i bub wu but you, and probably anyone else, are probably gonna need to look somewhere else to get some better info about the e-coll. It's changed over time but it has pretty much been there since about the beginning.
As for me, I'm full of cynical mirth--no, I am sober.
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Post by mulaqi on Nov 5, 2008 10:45:08 GMT -5
Essentially our vote counts for nothing. The Electors do not have to vote in favor of the Popular vote and from what I understand, must all vote for the same. So there is no splitting of Ohio's 10 Elector votes if half the state votes one way and the other half votes the other way. Hopefully, the Electors will vote in the direction of the popular vote, but they do not have to. They can choose to vote completely opposite. That is what I hate. Uh...that's not really entirely true. Or at least, is very misleading. I don't think there's ever been an elector that has voted against the person their state chose, aside from a few rare cases where their candidate lost the election in a landslide and they voted third party or something. See, each party chooses the electors for each state they win. They are people that have shown extreme loyalty to the party, and therefore have no real reason to vote against what the people choose. They technically can vote against the popular vote, but at risk of total alienation from their party, their state, and everyone else. Also, one "rogue elector" does not make the entire state go rogue. It's just that one person. The electoral college is designed to prevent a tyranny of the majority, mostly by region, so the smaller states can have a fair say. Say that some big states, like Texas and Florida, vote for Candidate B in a landslide. In fact, say the entire south does. Then, say that Candidate A wins the many more states, including some populous ones like California and New York, but by a slimmer margin. By pure popular vote, Candidate B could win, over representing one region's interests and negating the effects of others. It's not perfect, but it's a decent idea, and with the exception of the 2000 election has worked pretty well (although I more blame Gore's crap campaigning skills for that one).
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Post by jialingjin on Nov 5, 2008 10:50:46 GMT -5
Ah, thank you for that, Muqali.
I see what you mean with the Candidate A and Candidate B idea but I'm still on the fence whether I.. agree with it even in that context. Given that example I can understand but I can't say that I approve of it even if it could lead to a region with a greater population essentially forcing a election their way. Something I will have to think on.
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The Lion Turtle
Ishvara Spirits
"Your own spirit must be unbendable."
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Post by The Lion Turtle on Nov 5, 2008 12:46:27 GMT -5
That makes it sound much better. Yeah, I totally don't want certain regions to have more power than the others in votes. o.o
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Post by aratak on Nov 19, 2008 9:07:07 GMT -5
The American election system confuses me, and gives me a big headache...
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Post by jialin on Nov 24, 2008 12:39:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you, Katara. *head spins*
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